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Pennsylvania's Legislature: Right on the Money with the Voter ID Law

Voter ID Law: Good for Pennsylvania.

Opponents of the Voter ID law point to the fact that government cannot force anyone to prove his or her identity before he or she votes. They claim that one's vote is a guaranteed right protected by the Constitution of the United States and asking someone to provide an ID in order to vote is discriminatory.

But what is wrong with proving that you are who you claim you are when casting your vote?  After all, are not Pennsylvanians required to have a driver's license in order to drive?  In fact, Pennsylvania requires its residents to have IDs for a variety of reasons i.e. buying and owning a gun, getting married etc. etc.  Why, today even joining a fitness center requires an ID with your picture. Today, everyone has some form of ID for identification. The Social Security card is the best example.  What about an ID to enter a place of employment?  I remember years ago when I was hired by a major pharmaceutical corporation, the first thing I had to do is to have an ID with a picture before I could enter their premises.

Pennsylvania Voter ID law applies to everyone and that is why I believe the law is not only legal, it is necessary to prevent among things, illegal votes usually cast by unscrupulous individuals who want to win or decide an election one way or another.

It is the same old cry of those individuals who want to manipulate the system in
order to win votes. Why then, are these people opposing a law that protects all
of its citizens equally? The Voter ID law is not geared to any particular individual,
a race of people or a group of people; the Voter ID law is there for our
protection because for too long, we have seen what the honor system has done in
the voting centers around this state.

In recent years, we have experienced first-hand the evils of not having an ID especially in the voting booth where after each election, fraudulent activities are
reported everywhere. Why, in recent years, we even had dead people voting.

Now, tell me how honorable is that, when dead people are counted among the living in the voting booth? And that is only the tip of the iceberg because in recent years, the fraud in the voting booth has been well documented by both parties in this country i.e. duplicate votes, phony voting registration and the like.

Therefore, please stop whining at the Pa. Voter ID Law claiming that it is
unconstitutional and discriminatory because it is here to stay and the timing
could not have been better because we need to secure and maintain the sanctity
of our vote.

To be sure, the Voter ID is and should our first step is the protection of our
vote. Vigilance by those who are entrusted to protect our vote should also be counted among the number #1 priority because when it pertains to voting, we cannot have duplication of votes, votes by dead people, people in prisons and other voting irregularities.

As Americans, we should be proud to live in a country where our votes matter.  Voting is a privilege and as such, it should be protected at all costs and if that that cost is a Voter ID, it is a small price to pay.

I will gladly abide by it.

James Smith August 16, 2012 at 01:55 pm
Agreed. John J. Pino recently posted on the Tredyffrin-Eastown Patch.
http://te.patch.com/blog_posts/the-voter-id-law-was-upheld-good-news-for-pennsylvanians Check out the John's slip in the last sentence. It would seem that John J. Pino knows exactly what this Voter ID Law is all about because it was on this mind when he wrote this. "Ok, I am going to say the following as politely as I can. Today's ruling by a Pennsylvania Judge to uphold the state voter ID law is a victory not only for the state of Pennsylvania but also for every American citizen who is interested in justice and unfairness for all people." - John J. Pino
Peter Kendall August 16, 2012 at 02:14 pm
Adrian: what if the signature's a pretty good facsimile - a forgery? Most voting "officials" are just retured volunteers... not expert handwriting analyzers. please rethink your assertion.
James Smith August 16, 2012 at 02:38 pm
@Joe: I think PA House Representative Mike Turzai's comments say it all about what the end game of this law is really about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8 In case you thought is was taken out of context. Here is another. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8 The small number or disenfranchised rural elderly does not matter to the larger numbers of disenfranchised urban elderly. The census does not have exact numbers on the elderly, but minorities are documented. http://pasdc.hbg.psu.edu/Data/Census2010/tabid/1489/Default.aspx
Mohandus Frieri August 16, 2012 at 02:46 pm
Again fiction. Just because it's on the internet does not make it true.
74% of likely Republican voters support voter I.D.
Mohandus Frieri August 16, 2012 at 02:49 pm
Every Republican who voted for this law knows why they voted for it and yes, Mike Turdzai's comments represents their sentiments.
Randy Macon August 16, 2012 at 03:34 pm
No one can object to proving their identity before voting. Everyone should object to restricting what you can use as proof to such a small number of ID's that it disenfranchises certain groups of people such as the poor and elderly. Everyone wants a fair election. No one should believe that an election that disenfranchises thousands of people in order to prevent a vanishingly small number of potentially fraudulent votes is fairer than one in which all eligible voters are allowed to vote.
denise clark August 16, 2012 at 09:45 pm
Yes you could always get a free photo ID from Pennsylvania and any other state in this country. The over 16yr old children who do not drive have been using them for legal ID forever. There are so many photo ID centers through out each state I cant imagine it would be impossible to get to one the same way you can get yourself out to a polling place. I believe your state representative will help, local church or community, senior citizen transit, friends etc.... The amount of time given to obtain an ID has been substantial. John Herald..what are you afraid of?.
Joe Olson August 17, 2012 at 01:31 pm
There is a good article from National Review for you to read about voter fraud in PA. http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314273/voter-fraud-keystone-state-john-fund
Joe Olson August 17, 2012 at 01:36 pm
There is documented evidence of voter fraud in PA. Please read the following: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/314273/voter-fraud-keystone-state-john-fund
Adrian Seltzer August 17, 2012 at 01:37 pm
Guys, it's like innocent until proven guilty. If someone comes in to vote and their signature doesn't match, we ask for iD. Law is totally unnecessary. Hope you will enjoy the long lines at the polls.
Adrian Seltzer August 17, 2012 at 06:01 pm
This was absentee ballot fraud, not in person fraud. The law does not address absentee balloting.
Peter Kendall August 17, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Adrian- let's address the easy problem first, with photo IDs. Then, as you point out, we can turn our attention to absentee ballot fraud.
One thing at a time, lest our public officials keel over from the workload....
Adrian Seltzer August 18, 2012 at 02:14 am
The point is this law does nothing to prevent voter fraud. All it does is inconvience everyone, people without id and anyone who votes. Wait for the lines at the polls. Please be patient and don't take it out on your barely paid poll worker. We can face a $10,000 fine and a year in prison if we don't check ID properly.
MrBlue August 20, 2012 at 04:00 am
Why don't I see one response post from Mr. Pino???
If someone posts a blog entry here shouldn't they have the courage of their convictions enough to weigh in to support or clarify their position?? Sounds like another cowardly Republican who can't defend their position if its put under any scrutiny... just more self important, self interested pontificating by the Right hoping people aren't paying enough attention to realize its all BS!
Mike Shortall August 20, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Feel free to head over here anytime then, MrBlue:
http://horsham.patch.com/blog_posts/disenfranchised-by-politics-or-apathy-47d1849f
Kathleen Shaver August 26, 2012 at 05:31 am
Volunteers working for the PA Voter ID Coalition are finding that many people moving into Pennsylvania may not be able to vote in November. These individuals are often working professionals who have out-of-state drivers licenses but may be lacking an official birth certificate, social security card or marriage certificate (because of theft, loss, fire, flood etc.) These documents are now required for obtaining a PA drivers license or PennDot ID, even if an individual has a valid license from another state.
It can take over 11 weeks to receive an official birth certificate and expedited service costs extra (as much as $45 total) with no guarantee that the document will be received in time to get through PennDot processing. These individuals are not lazy or irresponsible, but they may be prevented from voting in November despite having successfully registered to vote in PA. Many concerned citizens are volunteering hours of their time to assist others with the paper work required to obtain the necessary documents or to transport people to PennDot. Some individuals have to take additional time off from their employment and return to the PennDot office a second time in order to complete the application process. In rural areas it is more difficult because of greater distances combined with fewer drivers license centers and limited hours of operation. Although I am disheartened by those who support an unfair law, I am encouraged by the concern and generosity of others.
Adrian Seltzer August 26, 2012 at 06:32 am
They should be at least able to get the dept of state. Voter ID. You do not need a birth certificate for that, only social security number and a utility bill or two.
V. Scheurich September 11, 2012 at 12:58 am
Why there are elected officials that are called "Democrats" and the reason they "all" run for these offices in this party. The "Useless Idiots" vote for them with blind eyes and very little knowledge. The article below is a democrat and tells his own to get educated before making statements they don't know what they are talking about. Sound familiar? Do you have a next door neighbor like this?
http://itmakessenseblog.com/2011/09/17/democrat-james-carville-says-80-of-democrats-dont-have-a-clue-as-to-political-reality/
Morgan King September 11, 2012 at 01:25 am
What?
http://esl.fis.edu/learners/advice/syntax.htm
David Curran September 11, 2012 at 03:50 am
All good points Dave, but I would like to add one more, expense The circus the administration has put on trying to run this thing is just comical. When was the last time anyone really tried to defended this mess. Republicans own this. When it costs more to run- they own it. When legitimate voters are denied access, they own it. When elections are contested Republicsnbecause of alledged voter suppression- they own it. When lines are long at the polls and voters are confused- they own it. This is a 100% Republican idea. It really makes me sick to realize that there are people out there that have absolutely no regard for others rights. And they call themselves patriots--hardly.
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:02 am
Hey Jim, I have been going to senior centers and helping people with their ID, both Dems and Reps, black and white. How do you know that those are the people without ID?
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:09 am
David, we can ad to that expense. A letter in July to voters on the no match list - a list of registered voters who had no corresponding ID on record at PennDOT. That letter did not mention anything about the no match list or them being on it. (750,000) letters. Production of an offensive ad that suggests if you do not have ID to vote you are unpatriotic. Ironically many veterans' photo id cards do not have expiration dates on them so they are not valid for voting. And the best the PA dept of state will be sending postcards to every registered voter in the state to tell them about voter ID. That's almost 8.3 million postcards. $$$$$
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:15 am
What the GOP is doing to the libertarians is a crime, the same one the Dems did to Ralph Nader. There is no equality under the law in PA when the standards are way higher for a third party candidate to get on the ballot then for a Rep or Dem
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:24 am
The signatures in the book are upside down from the voters stand point and the voting official is supposed to cover it before the voter signs. I don't cover for people I know, but do for people I don't I cover the signature so that person would have to be clairvoyant as to what the signature looks like and also they have to be the same age as the voter in question because birth dates are in the book. If there is any question as to identity we ask for id. I am a majority inspector of election and know how this works. I also happened to have studied handwriting analysis when I was a kid.
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:26 am
The judge of elections, majority and minority inspectors are elected positions. We take an oath that there will be a fair and free election.
Adrian Seltzer September 11, 2012 at 04:28 am
Many of the people without ID, are not without ID. They just do not have the specific ID necessary to vote. If you show a poll worker your veterans ID with your name and picture, and your name is the same in the voting registry, your signature matches and your birthday matches, why wouldn't the poll worker know it is you? Does an expiration date change who you are? NO. Same with a college id or any other photo id. This is the reality of the PA law, that it doesn't prevent any fraud that the safeguards that were in place wouldn't have caught. Don't believe me? Give me a scenario. Believe me, sign my petition to postpone the voter id law until after the election
http://signon.org/sign/postpone-pa-voter-id
David Curran September 11, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Hi Adrian, I would just like to thank you for your efforts to right this wrong, it is people like you who give me hope that perhaps a disaster may be avoided.
For some reason my iPhone will not let me fill out your petition. When I am at a pc later I will fill out and submit.
vincent October 6, 2012 at 02:16 pm
jim shu..you are the one that's DUMB. "the right to vote is a privilege"? do you realize how stupid that sounds? ..maybe you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Adrian Seltzer October 6, 2012 at 02:20 pm
Gerrymandering is not mandated but redistricting is. Gerrymandering is creating the political lines to keep specific reps in business, not about the will of the people.
Adrian Seltzer October 6, 2012 at 02:25 pm
It should be unconstitutional because of the PA constitution.

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